Re: Social Networking basics? -Raj

Being a newbie myself, I find this much more appealing.
I'm grateful this is being considered, having read ESR's version as well.

I'll also try to be very careful to follow these guidelines as I appreciate
the time everyone here takes to help people like me. Thanks a bunch!

On Thursday, June 23, 2011 09:17:54 PM Fabian Ezequiel Gallina wrote:
> 2011/6/23 Russell Keith-Magee <russell@keith-magee.com>:
> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
> >
> > <cal.leeming@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Shawn Milochik <shawn@milochik.com>
wrote:
> >>> On 06/23/2011 12:36 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote:
> >>>> The perfect link to refer these users to:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >>>> <http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
> >>>>
> >>>> (props to harryr for finding this)
> >>>
> >>> Yeah. I used to post that link pretty frequently until I was asked to
> >>> stop. ;o)
> >>
> >> Lmao, I won't re-post this again then ;p
> >>
> >>> I still think it's a great essay. If I remember correctly, the
> >>> objection to it was that the tone wasn't necessarily at the same level
> >>> of acceptance and friendliness we like to maintain in this group.
> >>>
> >>> We should distill it into a shorter, newbie-friendly version and get it
> >>> posted somewhere official so we can refer to it.
> >>
> >> That's be pretty cool. But my guess is that the maintainers just want us
> >> to reply with a "you need to give us more information before we can
> >> help you" speech, in a non-insulting tone. Shame, takes all the fun out
> >> of it lol. </meany>
> >
> > The tone is exactly why I've asked people to stop referring to ESR's
> > document. The spirit of the document -- that you can only get good
> > answers if you ask good questions -- is certainly valid, but to me,
> > ESR's tone in that document really comes off as "Stop wasting my time,
> > which is more valuable than yours, because I'm a hacker, which means
> > I'm awesome and you're not". I'm sorry, but being a 1337 h4X0R doesn't
> > give you carte blanche to treat anyone else like crap.
> >
> > The Django core team have tried really hard to foster a positive,
> > accepting community culture. Everyone is a beginner once, and everyone
> > occasionally posts in haste and forgets to include salient details.
> > Absolutely nothing is gained by insulting a newcomer to the community.
> >
> > As a side note, if someone were to redraft that document in such a way
> > that it *doesn't* have that tone, I'd gladly include the text in
> > Django's own documentation.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Russ Magee %-)
>
> I find this document[0] to be really nice, helpful and without that
> particular tone.
>
> Someone from Python Argentina (PyAR) translated it to Spanish and it
> is what we use to guide newcomers.
>
> [0] http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html
>
>
> Regards,

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