Django talk: January 2018

Wednesday, January 31, 2018

Django

Hello, I am studying Django for my new project.

I am confronting very basic problem.

In Tutorial Part1. Request and Response, Django Documentation, following sorce code is there.

But I cannot find path function in "~/django.urls" directory.

Can a function be imported which has no defintion in "from location"?

polls/urls.py

from django.urls import path    from . import views    urlpatterns = [      path('', views.index, name='index'),  ]

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On 1/02/2018 9:50 AM, Matthew Pava wrote:
> I just want to point out something called WebAssembly. It's supported across all modern browsers. Presumably, you can write a program in Python, convert it to WebAssembly, and it will run in your browser. I haven't worked with it myself, but I am keeping my eye on it because I would like to think it will become more widely adopted in the not-so-distant future.
> http://webassembly.org/

Cute demo!

If all the browser makers have agreed to make it work that does make it
interesting. But they all agreed on Javascript as well. I guess they
said they have one scripting language and don't need Python as another.
Better to introduce a compiler. What could possibly go wrong? All we
need now is a Python to WebAssembly transpiler ;)

Cheers

M

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: django-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:django-users@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dewhirst
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 4:29 PM
> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: javascript transpilers
>
> On 30/01/2018 6:33 PM, Andréas Kühne wrote:
>> 2018-01-30 5:18 GMT+01:00 Mike Dewhirst <miked@dewhirst.com.au
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>>:
>>
>> On 29/01/2018 9:03 PM, Nick Sarbicki wrote:
>>
>> Going SPA when you don't know JS is very much a baptism of fire.
>>
>> Angular is personally my favourite too and essentially forces
>> the SPA model. But it has a much bigger learning curve
>> compared to Vue and React (the other two common names thrown
>> about nowadays). The others are also easier to not force into
>> a SPA model.
>>
>> Figure what's the minimum requirement first ;-).
>>
>>
>> Single page is pretty close to the way the application currently
>> works so that is promising. It is a lightweight training
>> framework. Simple architecture of courses, instruction(s) and
>> questions with answers aggregating a total score for the student.
>>
>> I won't publicise the URL because the server isn't heavy-duty. But
>> if there is any individual interest I'm happy to give it off-list.
>> Today I released the beta to the first client who (generously) is
>> using it for his troops to do online training on how to use some
>> Windows software.
>>
>> So back to the minimum requirement ...
>>
>> The single (question) page has previous-question and next-question
>> links which morph into previous-instruction and next-instruction
>> links when at the first and last question respectively. So that is
>> the SPA similarity.
>>
>> When you click the [Save] button after answering a question there
>> is no indication the answer has been saved without adding a line
>> of text (via the view) after answer.save()
>>
>> Refreshing the page resends the [Save] and reprints the line of
>> text saying the [Save] was successful. Too clunky.
>>
>>
>> If you are using django in the "normal" way - you should just be able
>> to add the message to the messages contrib package. Then the message
>> should show when saving? Because when you click on the save button you
>> should post your form and that method should (when successful) add the
>> message?
> Hadn't thought of that! Must investigate the messages package.
>
>
>> It was that behaviour which made me start this thread.
>>
>> I checked out typescript and it looks great but it is javascript.
>> It seems to let you code in ECMAScript 6 which is looking more
>> like Python and as Nick mentioned, has a compilation step (which I
>> suppose is like a minification step anyway) to get it into the
>> version currently supported by all browsers.
>>
>>
>> Typescript is more of a object oriented language than javascript is -
>> at least compared to ECMAScript 5. It also has some support for typing
>> - and great unittest support - which is criticle when writing
>> javascript....
> Agreed
>
>> That prompted me to look more closely at a few of the transpilers
>> in the link I posted in the thread-starter. One stood out for me
>> ... http://www.transcrypt.org/
>>
>> It seems the compilation to javascript takes place in the CI
>> process and it can be debugged in Python or Javascript. You can
>> use both javascript and/or python libraries. Written by a Dutchman
>> which is possibly interesting ;)
>>
>>
>> What you have to remember is that you still need to transpile it when
>> running in development mode. So it really doesn't matter where you do
>> your transpilation. You need to setup the transpilation even in
>> development - a webb browser can't run python natively.
> True. However, Transcript produces Javascript. Interestingly you debug in python or Javascript.
>
> I'll have to allocate some time to investigate but in any case I think DRF comes first.
>
>> The Angular thing is interesting.
>> https://medium.com/@chriscordle/why-angular-2-4-is-too-little-too-late-ea86d7fa0bae
>>
>> <https://medium.com/@chriscordle/why-angular-2-4-is-too-little-too-lat
>> e-ea86d7fa0bae>
>>
>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3213244/javascript/whats-new-in-angular-5-easier-progressive-web-apps.html
>>
>> <https://www.infoworld.com/article/3213244/javascript/whats-new-in-ang
>> ular-5-easier-progressive-web-apps.html>
>>
>> >From those articles, it seems React is lighter-weight than
>> Angular and for me that probably means easier to learn. It is
>> still daunting though. Vue also assumes javascript know-how.
>>
>>
>> Yes react is more lightweight. However it is like comparing the flask
>> framework with django. The difference is very similar. React is more a
>> library and angular is a framework.
> I suspect React is super efficient. Facebook use it and they shave very close to the bone.
>
>> I think my best plan is to postpone a decision and make a start on
>> DRF anyway. No matter what happens that is a prerequisite.
>>
>> I hope it isn't wishful thinking but Transcrypt looks more
>> attractive than learning javascript plus a javascript framework.
>>
>>
>> The main problem here is that you will still need to learn javascript
>> - because you need to understand what will happen when your
>> client-side code fails (and it will :-)). And my other point is still
>> valid. Look at the user base. When you have problems with transcrypt,
>> how many users can you rely on to get help? If you have a pure
>> javascript problem - how many users can you rely on for help?
> Excellent points. But it is difficult to dislodge wishful thinking.
> There will be two sets of code. Python which I hope I can debug and automatically generated Javascript which definitely will (I agree) have bugs. I would have had to debug Javascript anyway and I reckon forced debugging Javascript will let me skip the awful step of deciding to learn Javascript. I mean that's a depressing decision to have to make.
>
> Maybe by the time I get DRF working Transcrypt will have a few more users? I really want to avoid Javascript. And I know Transcrypt would not have been written unless the authors felt the same way. If it works there will be a flood of users. It comes with a lot of promise(s).
>
>> I do hope that you find a solution that works for you though :-)
> Haven't made any decisions yet - apart from DRF and the messages investigation.
>
> Many thanks for helping :)
>
> Mike
>
>
>> Thanks to all for the excellent and very professional feedback.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andréas
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:15 AM Andréas Kühne
>> <andreas.kuhne@hypercode.se
>> <mailto:andreas.kuhne@hypercode.se>
>> <mailto:andreas.kuhne@hypercode.se
>> <mailto:andreas.kuhne@hypercode.se>>> wrote:
>>
>> If that is the case - I would recommend looking into
>> creating a
>> single page app - with Django restframework on the backend
>> if you
>> want to continue with Django. For the frontend you will
>> however be
>> required to learn some sort of JS framework - however this
>> doesn't
>> have to be THAT bad. I personally like angular 5 - which is
>> written in typescript - a javascript based language - that
>> actually removes most of the pain. HOWEVER JS knowledge is
>> good to
>> have anyway....
>>
>> There are other frameworks that don't require that much JS
>> knowledge and Jason suggested GWT which sounds like it
>> could be
>> worth a shot, as long as it doesn't add to much
>> complexity. The
>> main reason for using that would be a large user base, so
>> you can
>> get help. The python transpiled JS versions don't really
>> have the
>> greatest user base :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andréas
>>
>> 2018-01-29 0:00 GMT+01:00 Mike Dewhirst
>> <miked@dewhirst.com.au <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>>>:
>>
>> That seems unanimous :(
>>
>> Jani asked what problem I need to solve. Without going
>> into
>> analytical detail, all the code is serverside and now the
>> project needs to move towards AJAX for user experience
>> reasons.
>>
>> M
>>
>> On 29/01/2018 5:44 AM, Nick Sarbicki wrote:
>>
>>
>> Agree with everything already said.
>>
>> Only thing I want to add is that while js has
>> historically
>> been a horrible language, the modern standards
>> have helped
>> rectify this. Modern js can be almost pleasant to work
>> with nowadays.
>>
>> I wouldn't spend time transpiling python to js.
>> Just try
>> to learn js and maybe transpile from a modern
>> standard to
>> the browser standard. It's almost as easy as python to
>> pick up.
>>
>> Django compressor helps greatly in the last case.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018, 16:49 Avraham Serour,
>> <tovmeod@gmail.com <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com
>> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com
>> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>
>> If you don't want and don't have the time to
>> learn JS
>> you may as
>> well consider outsourcing the frontend work, I've
>> worked in places
>> that did just that and everybody was happy, the
>> internal team
>> liked python and the outsourced company people
>> liked
>> UX and JS.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Jani Tiainen
>> <redetin@gmail.com <mailto:redetin@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com <mailto:redetin@gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com
>> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com
>> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You don't describe to what extent you need
>> to use
>> JavaScript -
>> IOW, what problem you need to solve with
>> JavaScript?
>>
>> Depending you needs you might get away
>> with basic
>> knowledge
>> and usage of some helpful JavaScript
>> library/framework.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Mike
>> Dewhirst
>> <miked@dewhirst.com.au
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>>
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>
>>
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au
>> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>>>> wrote:
>>
>> I have avoided javascript like the plague.
>> However it
>> seems I have to bite the bullet.
>> Interestingly, there are
>> now a number of Python -> Javascript
>> transpilers.
>>
>> http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.html
>>
>> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.ht
>> ml>
>>
>> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.html
>>
>> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.ht
>> ml>>
>>
>>
>> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.html
>>
>> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.ht
>> ml>>
>>
>> Where would be a good place to start a
>> discussion on the
>> topic?
>>
>> I am self-employed with multiple
>> demands on
>> my time so I
>> cannot afford to allocate sufficient
>> time to
>> learn it let
>> alone undertake formal Javascript
>> training. My
>> hope is to
>> pick it up by osmosis and wonder if a
>> transpiler would help.
>>
>> Thanks for any pointers
>>
>> Mike
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Re: Django-hotsauce: Current status and roadmap

Hi,

Any ideas of good python library for benchmarking standalone Django 2.0 http server?

Thanks in advance,

Etienne

Le 2018-01-31 à 07:38, Etienne Robillard a écrit :

Hi Avraham,

Le 2018-01-31 à 06:35, Avraham Serour a écrit :

Why do you call it microframework?

Because it still depends mostly on the core Django API.

You should prove it is high performance, benchmark, measure, compare and show some cool graphs

All right. I'm planning to benchmark the following:

Django-hotsauce 0.8.2 with Cython extensions
Django-hotsauce 0.8.2 with CPython 3.7
Django-hotsauce 0.8.2 with ZODB database
Django-hotsauce 0.9.0 with PyPy 5.9
Django-hotsauce 0.9.0 with CPython 3.7
Django-hotsauce 0.9.0 with ZODB database
Django 1.11.7 with SQLite database
Django 1.11.7 with CPython 3.7
Django 1.11.7 with PyPy 5.9
Django 2.0.1 with SQLite database
Django 2.0.1 with CPython 3.7
Django 2.0.1 with PyPy 5.9

I already have a Django project, is it a drop in replacement?

Technically, it is a full-scale web microframework on top of Django. You still need to install Django to run Django-hotsauce.

My project uses python 3.6 while you only have experimental support for 3.5. I'm not going back, you should have already experimental support for 3.7 at least

I don't expect huge differences between python 3.5 and 3.7. I will try to update in order to make cool benchmarks. :)

Many thanks for your input!

Etienne
On 31 Jan 2018 12:35, "Etienne Robillard" <tkadm30@yandex.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

This is a quick post to present the current state of development in Django-hotsauce, a high-performance and scalable WSGI microframework on top of Django and others.

Django-hotsauce has now reached the 0.9 milestone. New major features now supported includes:

uWSGI support with Gevent loop engine

Full ZODB databases support through the Schevo DBMS

OAuth2 authentication and authorization support with thread-local request storage based on Werkzeug

Experimental PyPy 5.9 and CPython 3.5 support

Backward compatibility with Django 1.4 and Django 1.11

What should be done next? How can Django-hotsauce attract a larger audience?

Best regards,

Etienne
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Django Login Popup forms.

Hi, I want to create a popup form for login. I have implemented the same for signup by creating jsonresponse from signup view. But i could not do the same for the login form. Can anyone help.

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RE: javascript transpilers

I just want to point out something called WebAssembly. It's supported across all modern browsers. Presumably, you can write a program in Python, convert it to WebAssembly, and it will run in your browser. I haven't worked with it myself, but I am keeping my eye on it because I would like to think it will become more widely adopted in the not-so-distant future.
http://webassembly.org/

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On 30/01/2018 6:33 PM, Andréas Kühne wrote:
> 2018-01-30 5:18 GMT+01:00 Mike Dewhirst <miked@dewhirst.com.au
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>>:
>
> On 29/01/2018 9:03 PM, Nick Sarbicki wrote:
>
> Going SPA when you don't know JS is very much a baptism of fire.
>
> Angular is personally my favourite too and essentially forces
> the SPA model. But it has a much bigger learning curve
> compared to Vue and React (the other two common names thrown
> about nowadays). The others are also easier to not force into
> a SPA model.
>
> Figure what's the minimum requirement first ;-).
>
>
> Single page is pretty close to the way the application currently
> works so that is promising. It is a lightweight training
> framework. Simple architecture of courses, instruction(s) and
> questions with answers aggregating a total score for the student.
>
> I won't publicise the URL because the server isn't heavy-duty. But
> if there is any individual interest I'm happy to give it off-list.
> Today I released the beta to the first client who (generously) is
> using it for his troops to do online training on how to use some
> Windows software.
>
> So back to the minimum requirement ...
>
> The single (question) page has previous-question and next-question
> links which morph into previous-instruction and next-instruction
> links when at the first and last question respectively. So that is
> the SPA similarity.
>
> When you click the [Save] button after answering a question there
> is no indication the answer has been saved without adding a line
> of text (via the view) after answer.save()
>
> Refreshing the page resends the [Save] and reprints the line of
> text saying the [Save] was successful. Too clunky.
>
>
> If you are using django in the "normal" way - you should just be able
> to add the message to the messages contrib package. Then the message
> should show when saving? Because when you click on the save button you
> should post your form and that method should (when successful) add the
> message?

Hadn't thought of that! Must investigate the messages package.

>
> It was that behaviour which made me start this thread.
>
> I checked out typescript and it looks great but it is javascript.
> It seems to let you code in ECMAScript 6 which is looking more
> like Python and as Nick mentioned, has a compilation step (which I
> suppose is like a minification step anyway) to get it into the
> version currently supported by all browsers.
>
>
> Typescript is more of a object oriented language than javascript is -
> at least compared to ECMAScript 5. It also has some support for typing
> - and great unittest support - which is criticle when writing
> javascript....

Agreed

>
> That prompted me to look more closely at a few of the transpilers
> in the link I posted in the thread-starter. One stood out for me
> ... http://www.transcrypt.org/
>
> It seems the compilation to javascript takes place in the CI
> process and it can be debugged in Python or Javascript. You can
> use both javascript and/or python libraries. Written by a Dutchman
> which is possibly interesting ;)
>
>
> What you have to remember is that you still need to transpile it when
> running in development mode. So it really doesn't matter where you do
> your transpilation. You need to setup the transpilation even in
> development - a webb browser can't run python natively.

True. However, Transcript produces Javascript. Interestingly you debug in python or Javascript.

I'll have to allocate some time to investigate but in any case I think DRF comes first.

>
> The Angular thing is interesting.
> https://medium.com/@chriscordle/why-angular-2-4-is-too-little-too-late-ea86d7fa0bae
>
> <https://medium.com/@chriscordle/why-angular-2-4-is-too-little-too-lat
> e-ea86d7fa0bae>
>
> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3213244/javascript/whats-new-in-angular-5-easier-progressive-web-apps.html
>
> <https://www.infoworld.com/article/3213244/javascript/whats-new-in-ang
> ular-5-easier-progressive-web-apps.html>
>
> >From those articles, it seems React is lighter-weight than
> Angular and for me that probably means easier to learn. It is
> still daunting though. Vue also assumes javascript know-how.
>
>
> Yes react is more lightweight. However it is like comparing the flask
> framework with django. The difference is very similar. React is more a
> library and angular is a framework.

I suspect React is super efficient. Facebook use it and they shave very close to the bone.

>
> I think my best plan is to postpone a decision and make a start on
> DRF anyway. No matter what happens that is a prerequisite.
>
> I hope it isn't wishful thinking but Transcrypt looks more
> attractive than learning javascript plus a javascript framework.
>
>
> The main problem here is that you will still need to learn javascript
> - because you need to understand what will happen when your
> client-side code fails (and it will :-)). And my other point is still
> valid. Look at the user base. When you have problems with transcrypt,
> how many users can you rely on to get help? If you have a pure
> javascript problem - how many users can you rely on for help?

Excellent points. But it is difficult to dislodge wishful thinking.
There will be two sets of code. Python which I hope I can debug and automatically generated Javascript which definitely will (I agree) have bugs. I would have had to debug Javascript anyway and I reckon forced debugging Javascript will let me skip the awful step of deciding to learn Javascript. I mean that's a depressing decision to have to make.

Maybe by the time I get DRF working Transcrypt will have a few more users? I really want to avoid Javascript. And I know Transcrypt would not have been written unless the authors felt the same way. If it works there will be a flood of users. It comes with a lot of promise(s).

>
> I do hope that you find a solution that works for you though :-)

Haven't made any decisions yet - apart from DRF and the messages investigation.

Many thanks for helping :)

Mike

>
> Thanks to all for the excellent and very professional feedback.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mike
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andréas
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:15 AM Andréas Kühne
> <andreas.kuhne@hypercode.se
> <mailto:andreas.kuhne@hypercode.se>
> <mailto:andreas.kuhne@hypercode.se
> <mailto:andreas.kuhne@hypercode.se>>> wrote:
>
> If that is the case - I would recommend looking into
> creating a
> single page app - with Django restframework on the backend
> if you
> want to continue with Django. For the frontend you will
> however be
> required to learn some sort of JS framework - however this
> doesn't
> have to be THAT bad. I personally like angular 5 - which is
> written in typescript - a javascript based language - that
> actually removes most of the pain. HOWEVER JS knowledge is
> good to
> have anyway....
>
> There are other frameworks that don't require that much JS
> knowledge and Jason suggested GWT which sounds like it
> could be
> worth a shot, as long as it doesn't add to much
> complexity. The
> main reason for using that would be a large user base, so
> you can
> get help. The python transpiled JS versions don't really
> have the
> greatest user base :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Andréas
>
> 2018-01-29 0:00 GMT+01:00 Mike Dewhirst
> <miked@dewhirst.com.au <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>>>:
>
> That seems unanimous :(
>
> Jani asked what problem I need to solve. Without going
> into
> analytical detail, all the code is serverside and now the
> project needs to move towards AJAX for user experience
> reasons.
>
> M
>
> On 29/01/2018 5:44 AM, Nick Sarbicki wrote:
>
>
> Agree with everything already said.
>
> Only thing I want to add is that while js has
> historically
> been a horrible language, the modern standards
> have helped
> rectify this. Modern js can be almost pleasant to work
> with nowadays.
>
> I wouldn't spend time transpiling python to js.
> Just try
> to learn js and maybe transpile from a modern
> standard to
> the browser standard. It's almost as easy as python to
> pick up.
>
> Django compressor helps greatly in the last case.
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018, 16:49 Avraham Serour,
> <tovmeod@gmail.com <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com>
> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com>>
> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com
> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com
> <mailto:tovmeod@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>
> If you don't want and don't have the time to
> learn JS
> you may as
> well consider outsourcing the frontend work, I've
> worked in places
> that did just that and everybody was happy, the
> internal team
> liked python and the outsourced company people
> liked
> UX and JS.
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Jani Tiainen
> <redetin@gmail.com <mailto:redetin@gmail.com>
> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com <mailto:redetin@gmail.com>>
> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com
> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com
> <mailto:redetin@gmail.com>>>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You don't describe to what extent you need
> to use
> JavaScript -
> IOW, what problem you need to solve with
> JavaScript?
>
> Depending you needs you might get away
> with basic
> knowledge
> and usage of some helpful JavaScript
> library/framework.
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Mike
> Dewhirst
> <miked@dewhirst.com.au
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>>
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>
>
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au
> <mailto:miked@dewhirst.com.au>>>> wrote:
>
> I have avoided javascript like the plague.
> However it
> seems I have to bite the bullet.
> Interestingly, there are
> now a number of Python -> Javascript
> transpilers.
>
> http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.html
>
> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.ht
> ml>
>
> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.html
>
> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.ht
> ml>>
>
>
> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.html
>
> <http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/%7Estrombrg/pybrowser/python-browser.ht
> ml>>
>
> Where would be a good place to start a
> discussion on the
> topic?
>
> I am self-employed with multiple
> demands on
> my time so I
> cannot afford to allocate sufficient
> time to
> learn it let
> alone undertake formal Javascript
> training. My
> hope is to
> pick it up by osmosis and wonder if a
> transpiler would help.
>
> Thanks for any pointers
>
> Mike
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