I am also a newbie on this list. I have been reading the list for about two months. I have learned a LOT following the questions and answers. I would like to suggest that some of the links like duckduck.go be added to the standard doc's page's on the right hand side. I would also like to see the 'Getting Help" be on each page.
I would also like to thanks all the responders to this list for all the effort expended to helping all the noob's.
Even though I have not posted any requests for help yet, I am sure I will in the future.
Everyone have a nice day...
Richard
P.S. really like Django!
On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Ronnie Betzen wrote:
> Being a newbie myself, I find this much more appealing.
> I'm grateful this is being considered, having read ESR's version as well.
>
> I'll also try to be very careful to follow these guidelines as I appreciate
> the time everyone here takes to help people like me. Thanks a bunch!
>
> On Thursday, June 23, 2011 09:17:54 PM Fabian Ezequiel Gallina wrote:
>> 2011/6/23 Russell Keith-Magee <russell@keith-magee.com>:
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
>>>
>>> <cal.leeming@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Shawn Milochik <shawn@milochik.com>
> wrote:
>>>>> On 06/23/2011 12:36 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote:
>>>>>> The perfect link to refer these users to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>>>> <http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (props to harryr for finding this)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. I used to post that link pretty frequently until I was asked to
>>>>> stop. ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Lmao, I won't re-post this again then ;p
>>>>
>>>>> I still think it's a great essay. If I remember correctly, the
>>>>> objection to it was that the tone wasn't necessarily at the same level
>>>>> of acceptance and friendliness we like to maintain in this group.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should distill it into a shorter, newbie-friendly version and get it
>>>>> posted somewhere official so we can refer to it.
>>>>
>>>> That's be pretty cool. But my guess is that the maintainers just want us
>>>> to reply with a "you need to give us more information before we can
>>>> help you" speech, in a non-insulting tone. Shame, takes all the fun out
>>>> of it lol. </meany>
>>>
>>> The tone is exactly why I've asked people to stop referring to ESR's
>>> document. The spirit of the document -- that you can only get good
>>> answers if you ask good questions -- is certainly valid, but to me,
>>> ESR's tone in that document really comes off as "Stop wasting my time,
>>> which is more valuable than yours, because I'm a hacker, which means
>>> I'm awesome and you're not". I'm sorry, but being a 1337 h4X0R doesn't
>>> give you carte blanche to treat anyone else like crap.
>>>
>>> The Django core team have tried really hard to foster a positive,
>>> accepting community culture. Everyone is a beginner once, and everyone
>>> occasionally posts in haste and forgets to include salient details.
>>> Absolutely nothing is gained by insulting a newcomer to the community.
>>>
>>> As a side note, if someone were to redraft that document in such a way
>>> that it *doesn't* have that tone, I'd gladly include the text in
>>> Django's own documentation.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Russ Magee %-)
>>
>> I find this document[0] to be really nice, helpful and without that
>> particular tone.
>>
>> Someone from Python Argentina (PyAR) translated it to Spanish and it
>> is what we use to guide newcomers.
>>
>> [0] http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>
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