Re: Python IDLE

Does it do emacs key bindings ;^)

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Mario Gudelj <mario.gudelj@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's not free but they have a 30 day trial period
>
>
> On 31 May 2012 00:09, doniyor <doniyor.v.j@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> @somecallitblues: pycharm is not free, right? but i am really willing to
>> give a try for this. i am using for years Aptana studio which is completely
>> fullfulling my wishes, but "pycharm loves django" sounds great!
>>
>> Am Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2012 15:59:13 UTC+2 schrieb somecallitblues:
>>>
>>> You seriously have to give PyCharm a go. It's everything IDE should be
>>> and loves django.
>>>
>>> On 30 May 2012 23:40, Bill Freeman <ke1g.nh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber
>>>> <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 05:37:43 -0700 (PDT), coded kid
>>>> > <duffleboi911@gmail.com> declaimed the following in
>>>> > gmane.comp.python.django.user:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I'm in a big mess now, I've lost my projects due to this errror. I'm
>>>> >> on windows, This is how I encounter the problem; I try to edit my
>>>> >> settings.py in IDLE. After right clicking on the files, I choose open
>>>> >> program with these default file. I choose idle window bat file, and I
>>>> >> clicked Ok. It didn't open, I try to run manage.py runserver on my
>>>> >> DOS. Not working, it will pop up the IDLE Shell and mange.py script
>>>> >> by
>>>> >> displaying it in IDLE. It didn't run the server. The logo of my
>>>> >> python
>>>> >> files have changed. How can I revert it back to open with IDLE? And
>>>> >> use it as default for my python script?
>>>> >
>>>> >        IDLE itself is a Python script; though it sounds like you (or
>>>> > someone) created a Windows BAT file to act as an intermediate.
>>>> >
>>>> >        The main problem appears to be that you've associated the
>>>> > "open"
>>>> > action with /IDLE/... The normal "open" action for Python (.py) script
>>>> > files should be Python.exe (or Pythonw.exe for .pyw). For editing you
>>>> > should have/create a <right-click>"Edit" action that invokes your IDLE
>>>> > BAT file.
>>>> >
>>>> >        You'll need to work with the file association commands in
>>>> > Windows to
>>>> > reset things so that "open" means RUN the script.
>>>> >
>>>> >        Unfortunately, different installations have used different
>>>> > names for
>>>> > the file types. Here are mine (I had to do "ftype" with no arguments
>>>> > and
>>>> > scan the long output to find the Python entries):
>>>> >
>>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>ftype py_auto_file
>>>> > py_auto_file="E:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
>>>> >
>>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>ftype pyw_auto_file
>>>> > pyw_auto_file="E:\Python25\pythonw.exe" "%1"
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >        Note that ftype only defines the "open"/"run" action for a
>>>> > file.
>>>> > (Interesting -- the .pyw doesn't take command line arguments, probably
>>>> > to be expected for a double-click open).
>>>> >
>>>> >        The other half of the basic equation is the file extension to
>>>> > "file
>>>> > type" association:
>>>> >
>>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>assoc .py
>>>> > .py=py_auto_file
>>>> >
>>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>assoc .pyc
>>>> > File association not found for extension .pyc
>>>> >
>>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>assoc .pyw
>>>> > .pyw=pyw_auto_file
>>>> >
>>>> > (This is why I commented that the file type name may differ between
>>>> > installs -- the assoc is
>>>> >        <.extension> = <file type>
>>>> > and ftype is
>>>> >        <file type> = <command line to execute>
>>>> > As long as the same <file type> is used in both commands the linkage
>>>> > works)
>>>> >
>>>> >        That SHOULD clear up the double-click/<right-click>Open/command
>>>> > line
>>>> > running of Python scripts. Setting up an Edit action (on WinXP)
>>>> > requires
>>>> > going through either the registry by hand, or opening a directory
>>>> > window,
>>>> >
>>>> > Tools/Folder Options
>>>> > File Types (tab)
>>>> >        scroll down to PY and PYW entries, select one
>>>> >        Details should show "Opens with: python" (or pythonw)
>>>> > [Advanced]
>>>> >        the default action should be "open" (bold). If there is no
>>>> > "edit"
>>>> > action, click [New...]
>>>> >
>>>> >        Give it Action name "edit" (or "edit with IDLE")
>>>> >        Application used to perform action: full path to the IDLE.BAT
>>>> > file
>>>> > (in quotes) followed by "%1" (with quotes) for the argument
>>>> > placeholder
>>>> > (the file to be edited).
>>>> >        Might need to [x] Use DDE; set "Application" to IDLE, set Topic
>>>> > to
>>>> > System
>>>> >
>>>> > {NOTE: I'm paraphrasing from the edit action on my system which uses
>>>> > "E:\Python25\Lib\site-packages\pythonwin\Pythonwin.exe" "%1"}
>>>> > {I'm not sure if you could skip the BAT file and use
>>>> >        "path/to/python.exe" "path/to/IDLE.py" "%1"
>>>> > instead}
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >        Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
>>>> >        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/
>>>>
>>>> Last I used it (I've been blessedly Windows free for some time now),
>>>> IDLE's editor was fine for editing Python (everyone has their own
>>>> favorite code editor), at least giving nice syntax highlighting and
>>>> correct (for Python) treatment of the tab key.  But it is not really
>>>> an IDE (except maybe for projects that are one file, or maybe one
>>>> folder).
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that there are many fine Windows specific solutions.
>>>> (Someone mentioned NOTEPAD++.  I can't comment, but the list is pretty
>>>> good at that sort of judgement.)  But let me suggest that you learn to
>>>> use a tool that is available on multiple platforms.  (If you deploy a
>>>> site commercially, your costs, flexibility, and perhaps performance,
>>>> will likely be better on a Linux or BSD based VPS or shared host.)  My
>>>> personal favorite is emacs, but it can be easier to use vim remotely,
>>>> and it is more likely to be pre-installed.  Yes, there are native
>>>> Windows implementations of both, independent of running builds of *nix
>>>> configurations under cygwin.  While IDLE does run everywhere, it
>>>> requires access to the GUI, which can be annoying on a VPS.  Though
>>>> you can edit locally and push your changes to your VPS using your
>>>> revision control system, there are just some times that you have to
>>>> edit on your VPS via an SSH terminal connection.
>>>>
>>>> Beware, if you go with vim, that you will have to add plugins to make
>>>> it really Python friendly (emacs comes with a python mode).  At a
>>>> minimum, you should configure vim to always insert spaces when you hit
>>>> the TAB key.  Without further information, Python will interpret tab
>>>> characters as going to the next every 8 column tab stop, while many
>>>> modern editors have lost there way, and use tabs as though the stops
>>>> were every 4 characters.  Indentation is meaningful in Python, so it
>>>> causes mysterious problems if there are two lines that you think have
>>>> the same indentation, but python things are different (or vice versa)
>>>> because one uses tab characters and the other is all spaces.
>>>>
>>>> There are also some fine commercial, cross platform, offerings.  I'm
>>>> told that Wing IDE even has good Django template modes, and does have
>>>> the chops to run Django from within it.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> Also, Django isn't really a click to run kind of application.  During
>>>> development it really should be run from a command prompt.
>>>>
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