Re: Python IDLE

Personally, I'd rather have clicking on a python file open it in my
favorite editor.
If I really wanted click to run for a Django project on Windows, I'd
create a .bat
file (or whatever the modern equivalent is).

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Timothy Makobu
<makobu.mwambiriro@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yea, PyCharm is the stuff.
>
> Also have python open python files; the easy way:
>
> Right click any pyton file->Left Click->Open
> With->Browse->c:\pythonX\bin\python.exe, for example->make sure you tick
> "always use the selected program to open this kind of file"->Ok
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Bill Freeman <ke1g.nh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> As someone who has burned in some of the more obscure emacs commands,
>> I find that I'm seldom satisfied with what a vendor calls emacs
>> bindings (eclipse comes to mind - I wind up setting my source code
>> files to be edited externally), but its usually still more comfortable
>> than the native bindings.
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM, doniyor <doniyor.v.j@googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > i dont know, but that would be awesome, do you know if aptana has it? i
>> > never thought of key binding til now in aptana.
>> >
>> >
>> > Am Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2012 16:19:15 UTC+2 schrieb ke1g:
>> >>
>> >> Does it do emacs key bindings ;^)
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Mario Gudelj <mario.gudelj@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > It's not free but they have a 30 day trial period
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 31 May 2012 00:09, doniyor <doniyor.v.j@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> @somecallitblues: pycharm is not free, right? but i am really
>> >> >> willing
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> give a try for this. i am using for years Aptana studio which is
>> >> >> completely
>> >> >> fullfulling my wishes, but "pycharm loves django" sounds great!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Am Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2012 15:59:13 UTC+2 schrieb somecallitblues:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You seriously have to give PyCharm a go. It's everything IDE should
>> >> >>> be
>> >> >>> and loves django.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 30 May 2012 23:40, Bill Freeman <ke1g.nh@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber
>> >> >>>> <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 05:37:43 -0700 (PDT), coded kid
>> >> >>>> > <duffleboi911@gmail.com> declaimed the following in
>> >> >>>> > gmane.comp.python.django.user:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >> I'm in a big mess now, I've lost my projects due to this
>> >> >>>> >> errror.
>> >> >>>> >> I'm
>> >> >>>> >> on windows, This is how I encounter the problem; I try to edit
>> >> >>>> >> my
>> >> >>>> >> settings.py in IDLE. After right clicking on the files, I
>> >> >>>> >> choose
>> >> >>>> >> open
>> >> >>>> >> program with these default file. I choose idle window bat file,
>> >> >>>> >> and I
>> >> >>>> >> clicked Ok. It didn't open, I try to run manage.py runserver on
>> >> >>>> >> my
>> >> >>>> >> DOS. Not working, it will pop up the IDLE Shell and mange.py
>> >> >>>> >> script
>> >> >>>> >> by
>> >> >>>> >> displaying it in IDLE. It didn't run the server. The logo of my
>> >> >>>> >> python
>> >> >>>> >> files have changed. How can I revert it back to open with IDLE?
>> >> >>>> >> And
>> >> >>>> >> use it as default for my python script?
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >        IDLE itself is a Python script; though it sounds like you
>> >> >>>> > (or
>> >> >>>> > someone) created a Windows BAT file to act as an intermediate.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >        The main problem appears to be that you've associated the
>> >> >>>> > "open"
>> >> >>>> > action with /IDLE/... The normal "open" action for Python (.py)
>> >> >>>> > script
>> >> >>>> > files should be Python.exe (or Pythonw.exe for .pyw). For
>> >> >>>> > editing
>> >> >>>> > you
>> >> >>>> > should have/create a <right-click>"Edit" action that invokes
>> >> >>>> > your
>> >> >>>> > IDLE
>> >> >>>> > BAT file.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >        You'll need to work with the file association commands in
>> >> >>>> > Windows to
>> >> >>>> > reset things so that "open" means RUN the script.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >        Unfortunately, different installations have used
>> >> >>>> > different
>> >> >>>> > names for
>> >> >>>> > the file types. Here are mine (I had to do "ftype" with no
>> >> >>>> > arguments
>> >> >>>> > and
>> >> >>>> > scan the long output to find the Python entries):
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>ftype py_auto_file
>> >> >>>> > py_auto_file="E:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>ftype pyw_auto_file
>> >> >>>> > pyw_auto_file="E:\Python25\pythonw.exe" "%1"
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >        Note that ftype only defines the "open"/"run" action for
>> >> >>>> > a
>> >> >>>> > file.
>> >> >>>> > (Interesting -- the .pyw doesn't take command line arguments,
>> >> >>>> > probably
>> >> >>>> > to be expected for a double-click open).
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >        The other half of the basic equation is the file
>> >> >>>> > extension
>> >> >>>> > to
>> >> >>>> > "file
>> >> >>>> > type" association:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>assoc .py
>> >> >>>> > .py=py_auto_file
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>assoc .pyc
>> >> >>>> > File association not found for extension .pyc
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>assoc .pyw
>> >> >>>> > .pyw=pyw_auto_file
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > (This is why I commented that the file type name may differ
>> >> >>>> > between
>> >> >>>> > installs -- the assoc is
>> >> >>>> >        <.extension> = <file type>
>> >> >>>> > and ftype is
>> >> >>>> >        <file type> = <command line to execute>
>> >> >>>> > As long as the same <file type> is used in both commands the
>> >> >>>> > linkage
>> >> >>>> > works)
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >        That SHOULD clear up the
>> >> >>>> > double-click/<right-click>Open/command
>> >> >>>> > line
>> >> >>>> > running of Python scripts. Setting up an Edit action (on WinXP)
>> >> >>>> > requires
>> >> >>>> > going through either the registry by hand, or opening a
>> >> >>>> > directory
>> >> >>>> > window,
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Tools/Folder Options
>> >> >>>> > File Types (tab)
>> >> >>>> >        scroll down to PY and PYW entries, select one
>> >> >>>> >        Details should show "Opens with: python" (or pythonw)
>> >> >>>> > [Advanced]
>> >> >>>> >        the default action should be "open" (bold). If there is
>> >> >>>> > no
>> >> >>>> > "edit"
>> >> >>>> > action, click [New...]
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >        Give it Action name "edit" (or "edit with IDLE")
>> >> >>>> >        Application used to perform action: full path to the
>> >> >>>> > IDLE.BAT
>> >> >>>> > file
>> >> >>>> > (in quotes) followed by "%1" (with quotes) for the argument
>> >> >>>> > placeholder
>> >> >>>> > (the file to be edited).
>> >> >>>> >        Might need to [x] Use DDE; set "Application" to IDLE, set
>> >> >>>> > Topic
>> >> >>>> > to
>> >> >>>> > System
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > {NOTE: I'm paraphrasing from the edit action on my system which
>> >> >>>> > uses
>> >> >>>> > "E:\Python25\Lib\site-packages\pythonwin\Pythonwin.exe" "%1"}
>> >> >>>> > {I'm not sure if you could skip the BAT file and use
>> >> >>>> >        "path/to/python.exe" "path/to/IDLE.py" "%1"
>> >> >>>> > instead}
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > --
>> >> >>>> >        Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
>> >> >>>> >        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Last I used it (I've been blessedly Windows free for some time
>> >> >>>> now),
>> >> >>>> IDLE's editor was fine for editing Python (everyone has their own
>> >> >>>> favorite code editor), at least giving nice syntax highlighting
>> >> >>>> and
>> >> >>>> correct (for Python) treatment of the tab key.  But it is not
>> >> >>>> really
>> >> >>>> an IDE (except maybe for projects that are one file, or maybe one
>> >> >>>> folder).
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I'm sure that there are many fine Windows specific solutions.
>> >> >>>> (Someone mentioned NOTEPAD++.  I can't comment, but the list is
>> >> >>>> pretty
>> >> >>>> good at that sort of judgement.)  But let me suggest that you
>> >> >>>> learn
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> use a tool that is available on multiple platforms.  (If you
>> >> >>>> deploy a
>> >> >>>> site commercially, your costs, flexibility, and perhaps
>> >> >>>> performance,
>> >> >>>> will likely be better on a Linux or BSD based VPS or shared host.)
>> >> >>>>  My
>> >> >>>> personal favorite is emacs, but it can be easier to use vim
>> >> >>>> remotely,
>> >> >>>> and it is more likely to be pre-installed.  Yes, there are native
>> >> >>>> Windows implementations of both, independent of running builds of
>> >> >>>> *nix
>> >> >>>> configurations under cygwin.  While IDLE does run everywhere, it
>> >> >>>> requires access to the GUI, which can be annoying on a VPS.
>> >> >>>>  Though
>> >> >>>> you can edit locally and push your changes to your VPS using your
>> >> >>>> revision control system, there are just some times that you have
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> edit on your VPS via an SSH terminal connection.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Beware, if you go with vim, that you will have to add plugins to
>> >> >>>> make
>> >> >>>> it really Python friendly (emacs comes with a python mode).  At a
>> >> >>>> minimum, you should configure vim to always insert spaces when you
>> >> >>>> hit
>> >> >>>> the TAB key.  Without further information, Python will interpret
>> >> >>>> tab
>> >> >>>> characters as going to the next every 8 column tab stop, while
>> >> >>>> many
>> >> >>>> modern editors have lost there way, and use tabs as though the
>> >> >>>> stops
>> >> >>>> were every 4 characters.  Indentation is meaningful in Python, so
>> >> >>>> it
>> >> >>>> causes mysterious problems if there are two lines that you think
>> >> >>>> have
>> >> >>>> the same indentation, but python things are different (or vice
>> >> >>>> versa)
>> >> >>>> because one uses tab characters and the other is all spaces.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> There are also some fine commercial, cross platform, offerings.
>> >> >>>>  I'm
>> >> >>>> told that Wing IDE even has good Django template modes, and does
>> >> >>>> have
>> >> >>>> the chops to run Django from within it.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Bill
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Also, Django isn't really a click to run kind of application.
>> >> >>>>  During
>> >> >>>> development it really should be run from a command prompt.
>> >> >>>>
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