Re: Streamlining DJango Deployment — Novel idea from the world of CMSs

Cal,

He's not looking to automate the install for the Developer of a Django Project, but for the End Users of a Django Project.

So if I, or another developer wrote a WordPress clone using Django and then allow a third party to come and download my Wordpress clone and easily install it.

On Thursday, September 8, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote:

The subject of self contained deployments has already been *heavily* discussed in other threads. Self contained / single binary deployments is something that Roberto @ UNBIT is currently working on (and myself), and if you do a search on the mailing list, you'll see tons of ideas on this already. And believe me, it's not as simple as it may seem. (consider cross OS libs, file system loaders etc).

Secondly, the OP said the following things are wrong:

- Doesn't cater to people who don't know Python

This is absolutely absurd, Django is a *python web framework*.

- Requires the installer to be a developer (pretty much)

Again, the developer would be the one 'creating' the project. If they didn't understand the concepts behind how to make django talk to a webapp server, then they need to learn. Simple.

Without being too rude, if you are looking to automate the install of a framework, then you need to understand what the framework does. I am completely against your proposed concept, because you are attempting to take away the *need to understand* how things work.

Cal

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Donald Stufft <donald.stufft@gmail.com> wrote:

This is a hard question. It would probably be nice to offer a self contained deployment that nginx/apache could just proxy too, maybe pick that as the default, and then add in writing a fcgi or wsgi file for use with regular hosting.

On Thursday, September 8, 2011 at 7:34 AM, graeme wrote:

He wants to be able to emulate the installation of a typical PHP CMS.
This is often 1) get database username and poassword, 2) copyfiles to
server, 3) navigate to an install URL, 4) fill in db username and
password and other config on a set of forms on web page.

Installing Django and the app you want to use is much more complex and
forbidding requiring use of the command line and editing settings.py.

One question is what server configurations this will support.
mod_wsgi? fastcgi? others? Will this type of user be able to pick the
right choice?

On Sep 8, 12:45 am, Calvin Spealman <ironfro...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you explain to those of us to whom it is not obvious, what is the
point of this proposal? I don't understand what problem it would
solve.





On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Alec Taylor <alec.tayl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning,

I have just recently starting migrating over from WordPress and Drupal to
the world of DJango.

First of all, let me say that yes, I am aware that DJango is not a CMS!!!

Now, onto my suggestions on how to streamline DJango deployment.
____

= What's wrong with the current method? =

• Doesn't cater to people who don't know Python
• Requires the installer to be a developer (pretty much)
____

I'm building a social-network catering to student-groups, users-groups and
game-clans. I will be releasing this under (probably) the New BSD license.
Because I want as many people as possible to be able to use this project, I
want to make it very easy for non-developers to setup this social-network on
there servers.
____

= What are you suggesting? =

A four-step install process.
• Install pre-packaged Python+DJango-script package
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____

What are your thoughts on the DJango deployment redesign?

Would anyone be interested in getting involved (making this happen!)?

Best regards,

Alec Taylor

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