Re: Standard approach

On 16/05/2018 9:50 PM, Paolo Chilosi wrote:
> It will be helpful to have a group/blog for Django beginner so we
> could share problems and solution, maybe this group is geared for more
> advance users.

I don't think so. All levels of user should come here. I wasn't trying
to split the community. Everyone is able to help someone. I was
delighted to see this morning a bunch of people with only a few weeks
exposure to Django helping an absolute beginner to find some tutorials.

More advanced users tend to focus on the more advanced problems and
that's the way it should be.

My thought when I started this thread was that we need a place to send
absolute beginners where they can be sure the community has endorsed
(probably the wrong word) the ab initio material such as tutorials and
books etc.

Maybe this is that place after all?

My afterthought was to see the official Django tutorial established as
working code for those people who learn by examining code rather than
reading docs.

That would be a task for someone who has recently picked up Django and
understands the sort of commenting such code needs for beginners.

What do you think?

Mike

>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 7:53:58 PM UTC-4, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
>
> This list gets a lot of new people joining. They come from all
> cultures
> and degrees of general competence. And list members have always made
> them welcome and try to help as much as possible.
>
> I would say to beginners - without thinking too hard - that the best
> place to begin is the excellent Django documentation.  Read "Getting
> started" https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/intro/
> <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/intro/> followed by "What
> to read next"
> https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/intro/whatsnext/
> <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/intro/whatsnext/>
>
> However, there are many non-native-english speakers who find
> reading any
> documentation just one extra hurdle instead of an open gate. When
> I see
> such a request for help in getting started I admire the courage
> displayed.
>
> Maybe we need more than a standardised docs approach. Perhaps a wiki
> would help to display stable advice for different groups of
> beginners.
> There have been some particularly illuminating threads in this list
> revealing the merits of different beginner approaches. The Django
> blog
> might be a permanent location for such threads. Maybe there
> already is a
> spot for accumulated beginner wisdom?
>
> There are lots of other resources and recent beginners are
> probably the
> most competent to advise.
>
> I really don't know because I don't have much of a problem reading
> docs.
> And it is a while since I was a beginner.
>
> Just thinking about this, the tutorial project might be valuable as a
> real project frozen at a seriously simple level so that beginners can
> browse the source and read the docstrings and comments. A comment in
> code might also carry a link to the documentation. Beginners who have
> trouble with documentation should still be able to figure out the
> actual
> code.
>
> Mike
>
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