Re: Am I stupid or is there an essential error in Django 1.10 Docs?

> A quick one is e.g. that there is no explanation of what a view is and what
>
> its purpose is.

"The code above maps URLs, as simple regular expressions, to the
location of Python callback functions ("views")"

"Each view is responsible for doing one of two things: Returning an
HttpResponse object containing the content for the requested page, or
raising an exception such as Http404. The rest is up to you."

> For a beginner it would be much more easy to simply user render() from the
> beginning on and later show cases where render() is not sufficient to do
> the job.

As a matter of fact it is easier to use Class based views usually, so
calling render explicitly is not that common, but function based views
are easier to understand initially.

> If I could I would gladly rewrite the tutorial. But sadly I do not have
> enough time to do so.

Maybe... it's a good thing you don't have time really

On 1/28/17, 'Peter Müller' via Django users
<django-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> If I could I would gladly rewrite the tutorial. But sadly I do not have
> enough time to do so.
> However I think it is bad since it not only completely disregards the zen
> of py but also its own principles (DRY etc.) If you need concrete examples
> I can name you tons.
> A quick one is e.g. that there is no explanation of what a view is and what
>
> its purpose is.
> Also there is literally in part three: "But, don't do that. It's silly.".
> If I should not do it then do not mention in a beginners tutorial…
> Another example here is the "shortcut" render() function. It is a beginners
>
> tutorial so I do not expect an in-depth explanation of any way possible but
>
> only the easiest one.
> For a beginner it would be much more easy to simply user render() from the
> beginning on and later show cases where render() is not sufficient to do
> the job.
> By far the best tutorial I yet had was of pygame. One well documented
> example and the docs were enough to teach me how it works.
>
> On a side-note (this is only personal preference):
> I do not like that the tutorial is part of the documentation.
> A tutorial should never be a documentation. A documentation should capture
> anything you can do with the framework.
> However a tutorial should only show you one way (and also the easiest) of
> doing of one certain task.
>
> Am Freitag, 27. Januar 2017 20:50:39 UTC+1 schrieb Melvyn Sopacua:
>>
>> https://github.com/django/django/pulls
>>
>>
>>
>> The tutorial has a very logical order, going from the database abstraction
>>
>> up to the template layer and beyond. But feel free to rewrite it and
>> submit
>> it to the project.
>>
>>
>>
>> I never follow tutorials to the letter - for example back when I did it in
>>
>> Django 1.3, my polls app had an ip-based rate limiter tucked onto existing
>>
>> code - but it certainly is one of the top tutorials for a framework I've
>> seen.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday 27 January 2017 10:27:46 'Peter Müller' via Django users wrote:
>>
>> > What do you mean by PR?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Am Freitag, 27. Januar 2017 18:32:23 UTC+1 schrieb Melvyn Sopacua:
>>
>> > > On Monday 16 January 2017 07:49:00 'Peter Müller' via Django users
>> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Also I used the tutorial just that I abstracted the concept since
>>
>> > > > I
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > think the tutorial is more than bad.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Awaiting your PRs.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Melvyn Sopacua
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Melvyn Sopacua
>>
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